Courtesy of Stanford University THE SCENE Marietje Schaake, author of the new book The Tech Coup, is a former Dutch member of the European Parliament, where she focused on tech policy. She is now a fellow at Stanford’s Cyber Policy Center and the Institute for Human-Centered AI. She spoke to Semafor about the book and how she sees the tech debate from both sides of the Atlantic. Q&A Reed Albergotti: We’re talking on Zoom from halfway across the world, which to me is still kind of mind-boggling. How do you square all of the benefits of technology with the downsides? Do you worry about coming off as “anti-technology?” Marietje Schaake: As I write in the book, this is not a book against technology. It’s a book for democracy. I mean, who could be against technology? It’s brought so many amazing things and it still holds so much promise. But what I am against, and what I think is the core message of the book is this unchecked corporate power that dominates the whole technology ecosystem. You’ve spent time in the US, in the heart of Silicon Valley. Can you compare that culture to the European viewpoint? One of my key insights of having spent time in Silicon Valley is how much of it is about money, rather than actual innovation. When I look at the “values” lens, I think many in the United States believe that Europeans are adopting these laws because they want to go after American companies. More often, the deep anchoring in needing to protect people from abuse of power by both companies and governments is much more historically informed. Data protection rules were really put in place because of the Second World War, when information about people, Jews, was weaponized against them. When I served in the European Parliament, there were lots of people who grew up in the Soviet Union, who had, as activists, dissidents, journalists, been profiled by the Stasi. What we’re unfortunately seeing unfolding is that again in the United States some of these cautionary tales which are not difficult to find, have to hit home before people take them seriously. |