Allison Joyce/Getty Images North Carolina is entering its teenage years as a swing state. Barack Obama carried it in 2008, Republicans have won it narrowly ever since, and Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign bought more ads there than it did in Ohio. It’s one of just two swing states that’ll elect a governor next year; Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper is term-limited, and Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson is running to win it back for Republicans, who’ve controlled a gerrymandered legislature since 2010. Earlier this month, Cooper sat down with Americana to talk about the coming year, and his faith that Joe Biden can and will win the state. Americana: We’re talking right after North Carolina expanded Medicaid. Who do voters credit for that? Roy Cooper: This campaign, when it comes to health care, will be about the best of Joe Biden versus the worst of Donald Trump. This is one of the few campaign promises that Donald Trump actually tried to keep! The attack on the Affordable Care Act in 2017 almost succeeded. He almost took away health care from tens of millions of Americans. He almost allowed insurance companies to put pre-existing conditions back on. On the other side, here’s Joe Biden, helping hundreds of thousands of North Carolinians to get healthcare through the Affordable Care Act, with Medicaid expansion. This is going to be a campaign, I think, of stark contrasts. Our governor’s race is going to be one of stark contrasts. And I’m looking forward to it. I’m approaching this campaign as if I were on the ballot. Americana: And you think the president can win North Carolina? Roy Cooper: We’re on the right trajectory here. Trump wins North Carolina by around 3.5% in 2016. He wins North Carolina by 1.4%. In 2020, we’re the third fastest growing state. People are moving in, and they’re moving to blue counties. We can win the state for Joe Biden, as long as they keep us within the sphere of targeted states — and right now we are in the outer planet belt of the solar system of targeted states. Americana: Do you expect Mark Robinson to be the GOP nominee? How do Democrats run against him? Roy Cooper: Mark Robinson is an extreme MAGA candidate. He has said that men should lead, and women can’t. He has spewed hate speech against Jewish people, against LGBTQ+ people. He has said that he owns an AR-15, and uses it for target practice, but what he really has it for is if the government gets too big for its britches. This is the kind of candidate that they are running. This is the kind of candidate who ran for governor in 2022 in a number of swing states and Democratic governors were able to win. That’s what’s going to happen in North Carolina. [Attorney Gen.] Josh Stein is going to be able to win this race. Americana: And how much is his abortion position going to play into this race? Roy Cooper: So, North Carolina now has a 12-week abortion ban, passed by the Republicans. A number of those Republicans promised to protect women’s reproductive freedom. Yet every single one voted to override my veto. Every single Democrat voted to sustain my veto. Mark Robinson wants to ban abortions completely, and Republican leaders in the legislature had promised to come back because many of them want to go to a six-week ban, maybe even worse. Now that this ban has taken effect in North Carolina, there are a lot of everyday families who are beginning to go through the trauma of problem pregnancies, and having to think, “Do I need to move? Is my doctor gonna have to let me almost die before they are able to treat me?” This is going to be a big issue, and I’m advising the Biden campaign that we need to lean into women’s reproductive freedom. Americana: So, how confident are you that Trump will be the nominee? Do you think that Nikki Haley would change things if she were the nominee in North Carolina? Roy Cooper: Well, number one, Trump’s going to be the nominee. But I’ll tell you this: If for some reason he’s not, I think any Republican candidate that has to go through the MAGA minefield of this primary is going to be badly damaged. That said, I do feel confident that it’s going to be Trump. This is going to be a rematch where the differences are even more stark than they were before. Americana: Back to the “who gets credit” question. When I look at state by state polling, I see people pretty happy with their governor, pretty happy with the state, then frustrated with Joe Biden. What explains that disconnect? Roy Cooper: I think there’s a general malaise because people have had to fight inflation. That’s getting better, but they’ve come out of COVID; their lives are different, their job may be different. And when you’re in a general malaise, you tend to just blame the guy at the top. The good things that Biden is doing are generational investments, where you’re not going to feel the everyday positives for a while. Most people who are working to put food on the table and take care of their parents and make sure the kids are getting a good education — they aren’t really paying attention to job announcements, or ribbon cuttings. But I think into next year, as more people get their health insurance in North Carolina, as some of these jobs start coming online, and the campaign starts communicating big time with the voters, and the voters start paying attention — which they aren’t right now — I think that stark contrast is going to be pretty clear to people. Americana: When I talk to voters who haven’t tuned in, the question they frequently ask is: Will they really run Biden? He’s 80 years old. So what’s the answer to that? Roy Cooper: A lot of people know people, who are older, who are on top of everything. That’s my experience with the president. Not too long ago, I spent more than an hour one-on-one with him, talking about the implementation of all of this federal money in the states. He asked insightful questions. He was on top of all the issues, intensely interested in how we were doing this with CHIPS and infrastructure. He’s been around a while, and he’s the same as he ever was right now. People have underestimated him all of his life. He comes out on top. When he comes to North Carolina, and they let him get on that rope line, and he engages with people, they come away thinking yeah, that’s the President of the United States. |